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Hello. I have peen paddle boarding for a while and would like to try windsurfing as well. I am looking for equipment appropriate for a beginner. I am about 6 feet tall and weigh about 200 lbs. My budget is under $500. Do you know if any of the boards listed on craig's list would work for windsurfing and/or paddle boarding?

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/boa/d/windsurfing-board-complete/6199335618.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/for/d/windsurfer-sailboard/6235375052.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/spo/d/great-windsurfer-for-sale/6209340619.html

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Dima wrote:

Hello. I have peen paddle boarding for a while and would like to try windsurfing as well. I am looking for equipment appropriate for a beginner. I am about 6 feet tall and weigh about 200 lbs. My budget is under $500. Do you know if any of the boards listed on craig's list would work for windsurfing and/or paddle boarding?

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/boa/d/windsurfing-board-complete/6199335618.htmlhttps://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/for/d/windsurfer-sailboard/6235375052.htmlhttps://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/spo/d/great-windsurfer-for-sale/6209340619.html

Story time (sorry for the rest of you that heard this one already aand I couldn't find the original post): Was windsurfing at Van Pugh one fine summers' day, came in for a break and was heading back out. Nice 10-15 mph breeze. I'd been lit up on my big gear. Right as I was launching, a youth group came paddling around the corner into the wind and were struggling a bit. One perceptive young lad took one look at me and my sail as I was uphauling and simply said, "We need one of those." Biggrin

Welcome, aand thanks for checking in with us. Here are my thoughts.

1) Way too expensive. See #3. Sail will only do in light conditions. This kit is from aroun 1992-94. The Bamba isn't a bad board but wasn't quite up with the Mistral, Fanatic, F2 offerings of the time.
2) Avoid at all costs since the board is 30 yrs old, takes non-standard parts and is inferior to the other two. It's been on Criag's List for a couple of years.
3) A bit too expensive but a good board.Sail is good for winds 12 mph or less only.

There was a Techno for sale super cheap a few days ago, that would have been a good board.

If you can get the UltraCat for a $150-200 and then get Doug King's Maui Sails 6.8 you'd have a decent bit of kit.

However- old longboards, while they are great - are not ideal learning platforms. The Cat is only about 66-68cm wide while we'd recommend a board for someone starting out to be around 80-85 cm width. I'll probably be selling something like that in a couple months but it will be at the high end of your budget. If you are one of those dogged, persistent types, you can make it work. If you'd rather not spend the next couple of months falling off the board, especially as it gets windier, find something newer and wider.

Again, thanks for checking in with us. We'll do everything we can to get you pointed to the right kit as nobody wants you to be frustrated and have a hard time of it. Let us know how it goes.

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Thank you for the feedback. Please keep me in mind if you have or see something that would work for me.

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Hi (привет) Dima.
I went through this process, actualy still going. It is a long nevere ending process.
Your skill level determines the equipment you need(is able to use). For start, you will need a wide floaty board >=160 liter and a small sail 4.5 m to 5.5 m. You will learn how to go back and forth. This is all you need for the first level. For the next level you will need bigger sail/s up to 7.5 m, so you can learn how to use harness, get into Footstraps and be able to plane. It took me few seazons to complete these levels. After level one you will know is windsurfing for you. If not, you will be able to sell all your equipment.

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ediksail wrote:

Hi (привет) Dima.
I went through this process, actualy still going. It is a long nevere ending process.
Your skill level determines the equipment you need(is able to use). For start, you will need a wide floaty board >=160 liter and a small sail 4.5 m to 5.5 m. You will learn how to go back and forth. This is all you need for the first level. For the next level you will need bigger sail/s up to 7.5 m, so you can learn how to use harness, get into Footstraps and be able to plane. It took me few seazons to complete these levels. After level one you will know is windsurfing for you. If not, you will be able to sell all your equipment.

Good tips about sail size progression. Sorry I left that out.

Relevant: https://windsurfatlanta.org/comment/39849#comment-39849

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Dima - A lot of good input here in this thread. That said, the most appropriate gear will depend on things like your expectations of the sport, how often you will be on the water, your preferences with regard to season, air and water temperature, the level of your "stoke" and your patience, plus any budgetary concerns.

Other things being somewhat equal, more width = greater ease & less frustration, particularly for novices. Sheer volume also tends to be a benefit. Most modern boards tend to be substantially wider but can be hard to find and more expensive.

Rigs: In my personal opinion, for the beginner, where cost is a concern, sail choice is almost irrelevant, as long as it's not too large, heavy, or hard to rig. Generally small(ish), light & cheap is good. More modern sails have greatly improved capability in dynamic range but require a certain skill set to appreciate. Most clamp-on booms will be adequate. You'll probably want a mast base extension compatible with chinook base, although there are other options. Once you find a board that will work for you, I think that the mast should be the priority item, ideally, 25-60% carbon, mostly for their light weight and hopefully compatability with better, more modern sails of various sizes.

If you should find a suitable board and need a rig, I can help - maybe 150-200$. I have a ton of gear here. I also have 3 old school longboards which might be too challenging for a novice, but would be very cheap. Chris 404-396-1542.

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Hello. I appreciate everybody's input. Somebody responded to my 'wanted' posting on craig's list. Would do you think about these options?

All the boards have retractable dagger boards, which will help a beginner both with stability, and with sailing more upwind. And of course included with any of them would be a fin, mast, boom, sail, mast extension, and mast base: everything to make one complete and ready to sail package.

So the boards are....

1) Bic Core 160 ~ 2011. Newest, widest, shortest, lightest of those I have. Most stable, probably easiest to learn on thanks to it's width.

2) white board - a Bic Veloce. Mid 90s era I believe. relatively long, high volume, but narrower than the Bic Core above. probably would have been regarded as a lively beginner board back in it's day. A great all-around board.

3) the colorful one: Fanatic Fun/Race. Longest board, and narrowest. Perhaps early 90s vintage, and likely the fastest in light winds. tracks well when on course, but slower to tack around. And owing to it's relative slenderness, a little less stable when getting started out with uphauling. heavier, and very solid board.

- the sail perhaps best for beginning (because it's my smallest) to be paired with any of these boards: Fanatic, 5.7 sq. meters.

prices for package around each board;
Bic Core package: $675
Bic Veloce package: $400
Fanatic package: $250

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My two cents:

Bic Core - if you have the cash, get this. This will save you six months or even years over the other two boards. Hands down, first choice.
Veloce - wide for it's time, not wide now and not really enough volume for you to learn on. Another person in the club got a Veloce for cheap about a year ago. Struggled with it, especially when the wind was over 10 mph. CP hooked him up with a much wider board (heavy but very user friendly HiFly). His life changed.
Fanatic - If you want to get an old Fanatic, try get the UltraCat. Transitionals like this and the Veloce seemed like a good idea at the time but a full longboard like the Cat is better in non-planing conditions (and much better if you ever want to try a race around here) and give up nothing when the wind picks up.

Make sure the Bic Core has all the parts - daggerboard, fin, foot straps, and full sail rig. Since you can use a big fin and sail (I'm guessing 55cm fin or more and 9.5 sail pretty easily) you'll be able to use this board for years as your light air board as you progress. Just make sure you think about spending another couple hundred dollars in the next few months for a wet suit, so you can sail pretty much through the winter.

Edit: If you decide not to get the Core, let me know because I know a couple of people that would be interested in a board like that.

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Bic Core is perfect, but sail is not so much. Buy only the board, if it is an option. You will find better sail, mast, boom here.

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Thank you for the feedback. Could you elaborate on why this sail is not so good?

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Is that an epoxy ("fiberglass") mast?

I think the comment is that the sail will only be a placeholder as it's a touch big to start out on, won't handle lots of wind as well as a newer sail and too small once you have a few sessions on the water. The boom looks okay but is dated. Essentially, you'll end up replacing just about everything after a few sessions with what you should have gotten in the first place. Unless the rig is super cheap, save your money to get a decent used rig the first time around.

Epoxy masts are heavier are new sails don't rig well on them (like putting old tires on a sports car). Again, unless it's priced as almost a giveaway, get the right mast first time around. Since a lot of us are moving from standard diameter masts to reduced diameter (skinnies) you can get a decent carbon mast for $75-150 depending on your timing and the carbon content of the mast (more carbon = more expensive but more fragile). Don't worry about the standard/skinny deal yet. Skinnies are easier to handle and more robust but standards are just fine and many/most of us use them for some or all of our sails. If you just won the lottery, I'd tell you to buy new rdm (skinny) masts but the difference to a beginner on a budget is much, much less than epoxy vs. carbon. To put it another way, if you told me I had to sail all winter without my skinny masts, I'd probably notice but not mind much. If you told me I had to sail epoxy masts all winter, I'd be quite annoyed or worse. Biggrin