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Foil much lower aspect than LP/F4, etc. More like Ker (Bic) and a lot of kite/SUP foils.

Incidentally, I had a conversation with Karen down at North Beach Windsurfing in St. Pete Beach while there. They are using LP foils but also have used the Bic foils. The LPs take off sooner but the Bics are more stable. Neat part of foiling is that she says that she sees turtles all the time. Not sure if it's the quiet or height of the foil but something she doesn't see on a windsurfer. However, shallowness of the water down there means that they are limited where and when they can foil (wind direction).

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They look a little wiggly in spots there, even with slo-mo added.... also missing– a jibe. Shok

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Did he miss a jibe or miss showing a jibe. Robby foils like me - no harness, yet.

You're right. I like the clip around 0:11-0:13. It looks like he's about to take a nose dive right before the edit cut.

Oh, how Naish sails have changed. His first race sails had luff sleeves big enough to drown a horse.

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Stop!

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6 knots 7.4 Shok

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Interesting how sails on foils tend to have less twist - a bunch of tutorials suggest it, too. I guess the height off the water makes the foot of the sail more efficient.

Yeah, seeing someone ride like that on an otherwise useless day is what motivates me. Thanks for posting.

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That looked like my old Hypersonic 105. Didn't see any indication of the board. Seems that in foiling the board is almost irrelevant - you just need some thing big enough float you a bit. I could see how longer/narrower boards might be better if they can build up speed in displacement mode quicker, though I guess none of these modern foils are on longboards. Perhaps something like the late 90's longish shortboards? Say one of the bigger Explosions, or the Thommen 305 type of thing.

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That looked like my old Hypersonic 105. Didn't see any indication of the board. Seems that in foiling the board is almost irrelevant - you just need some thing big enough float you a bit. I could see how longer/narrower boards might be better if they can build up speed in displacement mode quicker, though I guess none of these modern foils are on longboards. Perhaps something like the late 90's longish shortboards? Say one of the bigger Explosions, or the Thommen 305 type of thing.

Not quite. Width does matter at low wind speeds. At higher speeds, it's not as important but, still, Horue's Tinys at 200cm and shorter are still 70+ cm wide. Their Pro models are ridiculously short and still almost 70cm. The smallest: 70L- 169x68cm. Their boards go up to about 85. By contrast, Starboard is doing 95 and Pryde/JP are 90-92 iirc.

At low speeds, what works with regular fins works with foils. Width is your friend. First, it gets you to the edge of planing faster at which point you can pump on to the foil at the bare wind minimums. Wide beats long every time.

Second, remember that you still have 80-90 cm of vertical mast/fin under you. While you aren't quite as hiked out as formula/wide boards, you still need to balance the force. Most of the foiling specific boards other than Horue are around 90ish cm and that's what Antoine A recommends as do others. Your back foot doesn't have to be as outboard but most riders have the front foot out in the same spot as a conventional fin.

That's not to say it can't be done with a narrower board but, in light wind, width is preferable. Length, not really.

Also, longer boards have even more irrelevant weight up front once you are up on the foil. 260 feels way long enough. I do think it would be fun to try it on a Kona for kicks, though. Once.

That's my take anyway. I'm an expert having done it for all of 3 months. Biggrin But, this is in agreement with what I've seen and read elsewhere.

Screenshot from another video of the board. Rider doesn't look that big.

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Randy, this is you: http://www.slingshotsports.com/Flyer-280-Foil-Board

280 l 350x71cm

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$2199+ who knows how much for the foil seems a little pricey. I'll wait till Gene gets it in consignment. Oh, wait, Gene retired from consigning.

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Looks like, from the shape, that the foil is oriented more to lift than speed. Probably a good rec choice I'm guessing. (Guess being the operative word here.)

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That's the first thing I've seen that makes me interested in trying a foil - planing in 7-11 mph with a 4.7 sail. Up to now we were talking about 9 meter on up sail and formula board for planning in light winds. Of course, it is Robby Naish. Then again, he was sailing one handed since he was apparently holding his selfie stick with the other hand. So is Robby one handed equal to a mere mortal? I don't know. Does look like you need to get the whole shooting match - board, sail, wing, etc. Does look like foil tech is evolving pretty quickly - may not pay to be an early adopter, but instead wait until this stuff is all super efficient, and hopefully less expensive.

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Mind you a) he was pumping like mad, and b) it's salt water (denser, easier to plane). He admitted that it was really close to 6.0 conditions.

But, yes, this is a huge deal, planing in light winds with smaller sails. My 9.5 or formula board haven't been wet in 5 months and we all know what a light wind wh*re I am. The rule of thumb is that you are going to be using from 1 to 2 meters smaller sail in the same conditions. Yesterday, I was fine with a 6.0 in normally 7.5 conditions and would have been good with my 5.2 in the puffs. (It was really gusty). Chris and I laugh about how the foils have totally screwed up our perception of conditions: white caps don't mean it's time to get on the water, it means time to rig down.

Also, I wouldn't say you can do it without a harness, but you can do it without a harness. It takes a bit of strength to go all day but you can pretty easily make entire runs without hooking in. You pretty much learn without ever using a harness for the first few sessions. I think the one-handed stuff is when he's hooked in.

btw, Naish is doing a windsup foil, too. Start saving your pennies.

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Hmmm. Somehow I got to find a way to try one out because I still can't fired up about foiling by just looking at it. I can watch kiters in 8-10 and get inspired, but light wind foiling has not piqued my interest. I admit, I am a full-on wind snob, and have had no interest in light-wind sailing. I guess if I did regularly use large gear (say a 9.0m sail with a formula board), I could definitely see the appeal of replacing that, but is foiling enthralling enough to lure wind snobs out the lake when usually we would just do something else (ride a bike, etc)?

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It's hard to say if it'll spin your wheels - what each of us gets out of windsurfing is personal. First time I tried Chris's foil and everything went quiet, I was done. (That was precisely a nano second before my first crash, iirc).

I wrote a bunch of stuff but Robby says it just as well at around 1:30. It's very active (since you are adjusting pitch as well as the other axises) and the feeling of speed is much more than it is on a "surface" board. It's a lot more like a sweet, sweet 6.0-6.5 day on a slalom board than Formula/9.5 . For me, anyways.

It's interesting that a lot of pioneering windsurfers who went big on kites for a while are back with windfoils like Robby and Tony Logosz (Slingshot). Bruce Peterson is all over it, too.

Maybe CV can chime in here. If I say Betelgeuse three times, he'll appear.

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Can't explain it, there's been another foilbirth, resulting in one ugly foilbaby. I researched Slingshot, Liquid Force, Naish and Cabrinha and for a few reasons settled on the Cabrinha Double Agent.

http://www.cabrinhakites.com/surfboard/double-agent.html

Hopefully, I can work on my infancy issues behind the boat...

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dave_delozier wrote:

Hopefully, I can work on my infancy issues behind the boat...

And deprive us of the joy of watching the "birth process"? Biggrin

Probably a lot like a real birth. Lots of water gushing everywhere, screaming, crying and pleas for pain killers. Shok

Seriously, that's cool.

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And deprive us of the joy of watching the "birth process"? Biggrin

Let's go, could be very entertaining, you can go first!

arrogantj wrote:

Probably a lot like a real birth. Lots of water gushing everywhere, screaming, crying and pleas for pain killers. Shok

Somehow sounds like fun, although the pain killers come first!

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Foiling is not quite what I thought it would be– an easy, mellow and low impact way to windsurf for a geezer with aging joints. But it IS cool and compelling enough to have completely altered my priorities. It's all I want to do (on the water). For me, it is not that mellow. In fact, it's pretty intense. Foiling on an inland lake is incredibly dynamic and it will take your UNDIVIDED attention. Seabreeze sessions have been way easier, but I'm finally having that "bicycle" experience where I sort of 'get it' each new session. William, studious fellow that he is, has picked it up much more quickly than I did. He learned, I'd like to think, from my gonzo approach to the process and the resulting crashes.

It looks like it's getting cheaper and easier than just a couple years ago. Mike Gebhardt told me F4 was the way to go and their foil and build quality do seem great. But being busy with production must leave little time for customer support– Me: "So how do you do it?" F4: "Oh, you're going to get wet a lot". Shok

I still crave that sublime short board session in Hatteras-like conditions, all dialed in, catching a few jumps and the rest of it... it's SO much easier. But the quiet ride above voodoo boat chop, on a day that I'd never otherwise even remotely consider wind-wise... it's like a dream. Really.

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Isaac Newton said something about "Standing on the shoulders of giants". Chris has been super helpful. He did start out in the Dark Ages: there was a lot of knowledge and experience gained the hard way.

Super excited for Kitefoilman (Dave D.), too. btw, what tilted you towards Cabrihna?

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"Standing on the shoulders of giants"

I've actually lost a little weight recently. Shok

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