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Hello. I have peen paddle boarding for a while and would like to try windsurfing as well. I am looking for equipment appropriate for a beginner. I am about 6 feet tall and weigh about 200 lbs. My budget is under $500. Do you know if any of the boards listed on craig's list would work for windsurfing and/or paddle boarding?

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/boa/d/windsurfing-board-complete/6199335618.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/for/d/windsurfer-sailboard/6235375052.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/spo/d/great-windsurfer-for-sale/6209340619.html

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Dima wrote:

Hello. I have peen paddle boarding for a while and would like to try windsurfing as well. I am looking for equipment appropriate for a beginner. I am about 6 feet tall and weigh about 200 lbs. My budget is under $500. Do you know if any of the boards listed on craig's list would work for windsurfing and/or paddle boarding?

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/boa/d/windsurfing-board-complete/6199335618.htmlhttps://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/for/d/windsurfer-sailboard/6235375052.htmlhttps://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/spo/d/great-windsurfer-for-sale/6209340619.html

Story time (sorry for the rest of you that heard this one already aand I couldn't find the original post): Was windsurfing at Van Pugh one fine summers' day, came in for a break and was heading back out. Nice 10-15 mph breeze. I'd been lit up on my big gear. Right as I was launching, a youth group came paddling around the corner into the wind and were struggling a bit. One perceptive young lad took one look at me and my sail as I was uphauling and simply said, "We need one of those." Biggrin

Welcome, aand thanks for checking in with us. Here are my thoughts.

1) Way too expensive. See #3. Sail will only do in light conditions. This kit is from aroun 1992-94. The Bamba isn't a bad board but wasn't quite up with the Mistral, Fanatic, F2 offerings of the time.
2) Avoid at all costs since the board is 30 yrs old, takes non-standard parts and is inferior to the other two. It's been on Criag's List for a couple of years.
3) A bit too expensive but a good board.Sail is good for winds 12 mph or less only.

There was a Techno for sale super cheap a few days ago, that would have been a good board.

If you can get the UltraCat for a $150-200 and then get Doug King's Maui Sails 6.8 you'd have a decent bit of kit.

However- old longboards, while they are great - are not ideal learning platforms. The Cat is only about 66-68cm wide while we'd recommend a board for someone starting out to be around 80-85 cm width. I'll probably be selling something like that in a couple months but it will be at the high end of your budget. If you are one of those dogged, persistent types, you can make it work. If you'd rather not spend the next couple of months falling off the board, especially as it gets windier, find something newer and wider.

Again, thanks for checking in with us. We'll do everything we can to get you pointed to the right kit as nobody wants you to be frustrated and have a hard time of it. Let us know how it goes.

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Thank you for the feedback. Please keep me in mind if you have or see something that would work for me.

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Hi (привет) Dima.
I went through this process, actualy still going. It is a long nevere ending process.
Your skill level determines the equipment you need(is able to use). For start, you will need a wide floaty board >=160 liter and a small sail 4.5 m to 5.5 m. You will learn how to go back and forth. This is all you need for the first level. For the next level you will need bigger sail/s up to 7.5 m, so you can learn how to use harness, get into Footstraps and be able to plane. It took me few seazons to complete these levels. After level one you will know is windsurfing for you. If not, you will be able to sell all your equipment.

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ediksail wrote:

Hi (привет) Dima.
I went through this process, actualy still going. It is a long nevere ending process.
Your skill level determines the equipment you need(is able to use). For start, you will need a wide floaty board >=160 liter and a small sail 4.5 m to 5.5 m. You will learn how to go back and forth. This is all you need for the first level. For the next level you will need bigger sail/s up to 7.5 m, so you can learn how to use harness, get into Footstraps and be able to plane. It took me few seazons to complete these levels. After level one you will know is windsurfing for you. If not, you will be able to sell all your equipment.

Good tips about sail size progression. Sorry I left that out.

Relevant: https://windsurfatlanta.org/comment/39849#comment-39849

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Dima - A lot of good input here in this thread. That said, the most appropriate gear will depend on things like your expectations of the sport, how often you will be on the water, your preferences with regard to season, air and water temperature, the level of your "stoke" and your patience, plus any budgetary concerns.

Other things being somewhat equal, more width = greater ease & less frustration, particularly for novices. Sheer volume also tends to be a benefit. Most modern boards tend to be substantially wider but can be hard to find and more expensive.

Rigs: In my personal opinion, for the beginner, where cost is a concern, sail choice is almost irrelevant, as long as it's not too large, heavy, or hard to rig. Generally small(ish), light & cheap is good. More modern sails have greatly improved capability in dynamic range but require a certain skill set to appreciate. Most clamp-on booms will be adequate. You'll probably want a mast base extension compatible with chinook base, although there are other options. Once you find a board that will work for you, I think that the mast should be the priority item, ideally, 25-60% carbon, mostly for their light weight and hopefully compatability with better, more modern sails of various sizes.

If you should find a suitable board and need a rig, I can help - maybe 150-200$. I have a ton of gear here. I also have 3 old school longboards which might be too challenging for a novice, but would be very cheap. Chris 404-396-1542.

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Hello. I appreciate everybody's input. Somebody responded to my 'wanted' posting on craig's list. Would do you think about these options?

All the boards have retractable dagger boards, which will help a beginner both with stability, and with sailing more upwind. And of course included with any of them would be a fin, mast, boom, sail, mast extension, and mast base: everything to make one complete and ready to sail package.

So the boards are....

1) Bic Core 160 ~ 2011. Newest, widest, shortest, lightest of those I have. Most stable, probably easiest to learn on thanks to it's width.

2) white board - a Bic Veloce. Mid 90s era I believe. relatively long, high volume, but narrower than the Bic Core above. probably would have been regarded as a lively beginner board back in it's day. A great all-around board.

3) the colorful one: Fanatic Fun/Race. Longest board, and narrowest. Perhaps early 90s vintage, and likely the fastest in light winds. tracks well when on course, but slower to tack around. And owing to it's relative slenderness, a little less stable when getting started out with uphauling. heavier, and very solid board.

- the sail perhaps best for beginning (because it's my smallest) to be paired with any of these boards: Fanatic, 5.7 sq. meters.

prices for package around each board;
Bic Core package: $675
Bic Veloce package: $400
Fanatic package: $250

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My two cents:

Bic Core - if you have the cash, get this. This will save you six months or even years over the other two boards. Hands down, first choice.
Veloce - wide for it's time, not wide now and not really enough volume for you to learn on. Another person in the club got a Veloce for cheap about a year ago. Struggled with it, especially when the wind was over 10 mph. CP hooked him up with a much wider board (heavy but very user friendly HiFly). His life changed.
Fanatic - If you want to get an old Fanatic, try get the UltraCat. Transitionals like this and the Veloce seemed like a good idea at the time but a full longboard like the Cat is better in non-planing conditions (and much better if you ever want to try a race around here) and give up nothing when the wind picks up.

Make sure the Bic Core has all the parts - daggerboard, fin, foot straps, and full sail rig. Since you can use a big fin and sail (I'm guessing 55cm fin or more and 9.5 sail pretty easily) you'll be able to use this board for years as your light air board as you progress. Just make sure you think about spending another couple hundred dollars in the next few months for a wet suit, so you can sail pretty much through the winter.

Edit: If you decide not to get the Core, let me know because I know a couple of people that would be interested in a board like that.

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Bic Core is perfect, but sail is not so much. Buy only the board, if it is an option. You will find better sail, mast, boom here.

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Thank you for the feedback. Could you elaborate on why this sail is not so good?

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Is that an epoxy ("fiberglass") mast?

I think the comment is that the sail will only be a placeholder as it's a touch big to start out on, won't handle lots of wind as well as a newer sail and too small once you have a few sessions on the water. The boom looks okay but is dated. Essentially, you'll end up replacing just about everything after a few sessions with what you should have gotten in the first place. Unless the rig is super cheap, save your money to get a decent used rig the first time around.

Epoxy masts are heavier are new sails don't rig well on them (like putting old tires on a sports car). Again, unless it's priced as almost a giveaway, get the right mast first time around. Since a lot of us are moving from standard diameter masts to reduced diameter (skinnies) you can get a decent carbon mast for $75-150 depending on your timing and the carbon content of the mast (more carbon = more expensive but more fragile). Don't worry about the standard/skinny deal yet. Skinnies are easier to handle and more robust but standards are just fine and many/most of us use them for some or all of our sails. If you just won the lottery, I'd tell you to buy new rdm (skinny) masts but the difference to a beginner on a budget is much, much less than epoxy vs. carbon. To put it another way, if you told me I had to sail all winter without my skinny masts, I'd probably notice but not mind much. If you told me I had to sail epoxy masts all winter, I'd be quite annoyed or worse. Biggrin

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Dima,
Just found this Board. Good price and if it's in good shape it may be time for a road trip....

https://norfolk.craigslist.org/spo/d/windsurfing-board/6267244804.html

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Doug,

Thank you for the pointer. I do have a road trip planed through Virginia, but it as at the end of next May :).

What do you think about the price for the Bic Core board mentioned in this thread. It is 675 for the package or 600 without the rig.

Thank You,
Dima

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Save yourself $400 and drive to Norfolk Biggrin

That's actually a Techno 293 which is much better for a windsurfer your size.

293: https://store.bicsport.com/techno-293-od-dtt.html
160: https://store.bicsport.com/techno-160d.html

It's two cm narrower (not good but barely noticeable) but has 40 l. more float (88 lbs for the metrically challenged). Plus you save $400. PM Langdon as he got a board trucked to him for not a lot of money on how he did it. Doug is doing you a solid by pointing this one out. I've seen a relatively new 293 advertised up in TN but that cost $800 on craigs list.

Just saw this Bic Formula: https://savannah.craigslist.org/spo/d/bic-formula-170ltr-sailboard/6224359070.html Much closer. I'd rate this above the 160 personally but it'll take you a couple of sessions to learn to go upwind. To fully use this board as an intermediate, you'll need a better fin and the old trim boxes aren't that common. But this is decent board (assuming the repairs aren't too bad).

No centerfin but super wide and stable. I'm also checking on a couple of other boards for you.

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I had one of those with a trim box fin but it got stolen at Tidwell about 12-15 years ago. It was a great board and very easy to sail.

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If the seller is near an Amtrak station it is around $80 to ship it to the rail terminal in Atlanta.
Needs to be brought to the station partially packaged. ( they will want to visually verify that it is a board) There is a certain length that they will not take so call Amtrak to verify before attempting to ship.
Wrap board with bubble wrap then double protect the nose and tail of the board with cardboard and bubblewrap and wrap the rest with cardboard/tape.

Or as webguy suggests....Roadtrip!

This is just my opinion...
Get a board soon so you can start practicing while the water and air are warm.

Edit
Cape Hatteras is over towards Norfolk ( kinda )
In my opinion you can learn more in Pamlico Sound at Cape Hatteras in a couple days than 2 to 3 weeks on Lake Lanier.

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I send an email to the seller yesterday, but have not heard back yet. $80 for shipping sounds like a good deal.

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As the seller is selling the board at what seems to be a great price, it's hard to ask him to spend time and effort packing it up ( if he has the needed packing material) and taking it somewhere to ship it, when the price ois only $200.

Another option - I had a board in consignment for around $200 that someone really wanted who lived in the midwest and really wanted me to ship it. i really didnt want to mess with packing, etc. even though he was wiling to pay some extra. He ended up contacting a mailbox etc (?) type company that will pack your christmas presents and made all the arangements and all I had to do was drop the board off. And that's what we did. It wasnt cheap, but he really wanted the board.

I'm not recomending you actually do this, but it is an option. Time is money.

Gene

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What do you think about the https://www.roadie.com service? Should I select "first in SUV" or "fits in pickup truck"?

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I don't know how it works but you can fit something up to 300cm into an SUV I'd think. You should mention the dimensions before confirming anything, I'd think.

I'd go SUV over pickup because it's less likely to get chucked around and scratched. I've seen people load windsurfing boards (and antique furniture) into pickups like they were lumber. Shok If you go pickup, make sure the carrier is willing to wrap it in blankets and tie it down properly.

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Dima,

Ask the owner if the board is solid with a good solid fin-box, mast track and, good foot-strap plugs; as well as no holes/cracks or water infiltration. If all sounds good then ask if he knows anyone headed South or, possibly, to the Outer Banks (OBX)? There are many people headed for the Outer Banks (OBX) this time of year. It may be possible to make a connection. For example, I'll be in Hatteras this October but, I live in Aiken, SC..... Still, Aiken is closer to Atlanta than Norfolk.......

The Bic board uses a trim box fin which is old school but is a good system. There are used trim box fins (e.g., a weed fin) which become available from time to time and, for good prices. The money saved buying this board can be used to get a nice contemporary rig (twist-off head sail, boom with an articulating head, carbon mast, mast base/extension and, mast foot). And once you can sail out, turn around and get back to where you started from you'll then start handling stronger wind which will get you going faster. By that time you will probably outgrow this large board. That's when you pass it off to another beginner and go for something a little more sporty. You'll probably have a good idea for your next board when it's time. Also, if you get a nice rig (carbon mast, a boom with an articulating head and good grip), That rig will serve you well as you advance to other boards. What a wonderful sport to grow into....

By the way, I've already started looking for a good 5.0 sail, 430/400 carbon mast and boom for you. Ya never know....

Say, does the owner of the board have any other equipment to go with it?? For instance a mast base??

doug

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Dima,

OK.... Least I digress. A 7.5 sail is probably a very good size sail for the Bic Core.
But.... way to big to learn with.

But I did find this for $500.00. It's probably a little small at 160 liters.

Wonder what size the harness is or, the condition of the sail mast and, boom. He also probably meant a Dynafiber-Tsunami mast which is very strong and probably a 460 for the 7.5. Looks like pretty good equipment.

https://sarasota.craigslist.org/spo/d/windsurfer-with-sail-and-rig/6259475149.html

Then, here's one, in Charleston for $350.00, at 170 liters that is 93.5 cm, wide.....

https://charleston.craigslist.org/spo/d/bic-formula-170ltr-sailboard/6224358273.html

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Dima wrote:

Doug,

Thank you for the pointer. I do have a road trip planed through Virginia, but it as at the end of next May :).

What do you think about the price for the Bic Core board mentioned in this thread. It is 675 for the package or 600 without the rig.

Thank You,
Dima

It is a good board, but $600 is to much. Top price $450. Try to get this board and don't mess with shipping.

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Thank you for your suggestions, I appreciate it.

Unfortunately the guy in Norfolk insists on local pick-up only. He did not reply to my suggestion to use the roadie.com service.

The https://sarasota.craigslist.org/spo/d/windsurfer-with-sail-and-rig/6259475149.html maybe convenient. I will be going that way at the end of September.

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Gene, how did you arrange the payment?
Sounds like the roadie.com service is even more convenient, they pick up.

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The https://sarasota.craigslist.org/spo/d/windsurfer-with-sail-and-rig/6259475149.html insists on cache / local pickup and wants to sell it quickly.

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Dimma,

Here's a nice 2006 Ezzy 5.0 Sail for $140.00.
Could use either a 430 or a 400 mast.
But, Ezzy recommends a 400 mast.
An RDM 400 would be best.

http://classified.iwindsurf.com/classifieds.pl?db=sails&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=13293&query=retrieval

doug

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Dima,

Sorry for the slow reply, I used PayPal for payment.

Trying to buy and trying to sell used gear can really be a pain.

Here's something else I've done and you may want to try. If you know you want the gear and if you're going to be down there at the end of September ( a little over a month,) contact the seller, mail him a check and tell him to go ahead and cash it, and you'll pick it up when you get down there. Guarantee him you will pick it up by a certain date. He knows it's sold, and that it will be picked up. If you do not pick it up by the agreed upon date, he can sell it to someone else. You will not be able to back out for any reason. I'm not telling you to actually do this but....

Trying to buy and trying to sell used gear can really be a pain.

Gene

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>>Trying to buy and trying to sell used gear can really be a pain.
I agree. The guy in Sarasota insisted on cache. He already sold it. The guy in Norfolk initially insisted on cache, but then changed his mind. Unfortunately a local buyer came around while we were arranging payment (using www.zellepay.com) and shipment (using www.roadie.com)

Maybe I should get a part time job and save for new equipment Smile

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Dima,

I have two complete WindSUP package combo's for sail listed here in the For Sail section:

Starboard Freeride:

https://windsurfatlanta.org/content/starboard-electric-freeride-windsup-perfect-beginner-board-rig-7517

Mistral PacifiCo

https://windsurfatlanta.org/content/mistral-pacifico-windsup-w-53-m-rig-complete-beginner-kit-82417

Both are intended to double as SUP and are quite easy to sail. PacifiCo is better in strong winds, but handles light winds well. Starboard is more like a traditional longboard/displacement SUP and would be easier to learn as it has a centerfin.

I am only selling one of the boards - whichever goes first.

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Hi Randy, the Mistral PacifiCo is in my price range. What kind of rig does it have?

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I just talked to Randy (he's at lake, so I'll post for him) and the rig is the same for either board. It's a 5.3 North sail, boom and carbon 400 mast as well as the UJ and extension.

One plus for the PacifiCo is that it has foot straps, which doesnt matter when you're a beginner but is nice when the board is up and planing. Also, I know the Pacifico is a pretty easy board to sail.

Also, I think Randy meant to say the price is best offer OVER $500.

Gene

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Cool! Thank you for clarifications. Sounds like I should go for it. I will send Randy a PM. If any of you think I am making a mistake now is the time to stop me Smile